The Nation Endorses Senator Obama

In an article appropriately titled "The Choice," the Nation endorsed Barack Obama for President.  Without question, the piece raises questions about both candidates that will be familair to anyone that hangs around this site or has been paying any attention to the campaign thus far.  But in the final analysis, they decided Obama is the better bet for the progressive movement.

Here's my favorite quote:

Part of what tantalizes and frustrates about Obama is that he seems to have the potential to be such a messenger and yet shies away from speaking in ideological terms. When he invokes union organizers facing Pinkerton thugs to give us our forty-hour week, or says we are bound to one another as "our brother's keeper...our sister's keeper," he is articulating the deepest progressive values: solidarity and community and collective action. But he places more rhetorical emphasis on a politics of "unity" that, read uncharitably, seems to fetishize bipartisanship as an end in itself and reinforce lame and deceptive myths that the parties are equally responsible for the "bickering" and "divisiveness" in Washington. It appears sometimes that his diagnosis of what's wrong with politics is the way it is conducted rather than for whom.  


In its totality, though, Obama's rhetoric tells a story of politics that is distinct from both the one told by Beltway devotees of bipartisanship and comity and from the progressive activists' story of a ceaseless battle between the forces of progress and those of reaction. If it differs from what I like to hear, it is also unfailingly targeted at building the coalition that is the raison d'être of Obama's candidacy. Consider this passage from Obama's stump speech:

'I've learned in my life that you can stand firm in your principles while still reaching out to those who might not always agree with you. And although the Republican operatives in Washington might not be interested in hearing what we have to say, I think Republican and independent voters outside of Washington are. That's the once-in-a-generation opportunity we have in this election.'

Obama makes a distinction between bad-faith, implacable enemies (lobbyists, entrenched interests, "operatives") and good-faith ideological opponents (Republicans, independents and conservatives of good conscience). He wants to court the latter and use their support to vanquish the former. This may be improbable, but it crucially allows former Republicans (Obama Republicans?) to cross over without guilt or self-loathing. They are not asked to renounce, only to join.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/ha yes/2

I'd be interested in hearing others thoughts and am hopeful that perhaps we can keep the discussion civil.



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Debate Over Obama's Message (none / 0)

I think one of the more interesting aspects of this campaign has been the difference in how people have reacted to Obama's message.  In my view, this article does a good job of identifying the different ways that his rhetoric can be viewed.  

At all events, I'd be intered to hear others thoughts.  


by HSTruman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:09:37 PM EST

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The Nation isn't obliged to embrace every charlatan with paper-thin convictions.  Just because you're a sucker for the faux populism, doens't mean everyone is. It's a f#cking journal of ideas, not a party organ.  


by PositiveFreedom on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:41:50 PM EST

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Not sure who that's directed at, but lets try to keep the discussion a little more constructive.  I don't always agree with the Nation, by any stretch, but this definitely struck me as a thoughtful article in that it lays out the hugely different ways that progressives have read Obama's message.


by HSTruman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:45:08 PM EST
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sorry, wrong thread. That was my anti-Edwards fatigue kicking in. The Nation endorsement of Obama was indeed thoughtful...


by PositiveFreedom on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:51:15 PM EST
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Ge0rge,

I'm getting a little frustrated with my fellow liberals/ progressive who equate Obama's cultural shifting rhetorical style with a strategy of "triangulation."

As articulated in this endosement, the two are not the same thing.

Since 2004, haven't we read and heard plenty about "framing," George Lakoff and the use of language to affect culture?  Don't you get it?  That's not just about crafting better talking points.  It's about changing the way we think and discuss issues as a collective.

Obama's great at doing that.  I'm sorry if his invitations to moderate Republicans offends you.  Good luck fighting the old fights with the rusty ol' Democratic rhetorical weaponry.

We're fighting to change the country.  I hope you can join in the fun.

p.s. I'm not a hypocrite.


by Damien in Texas on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 09:46:31 PM EST
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I think Framecop is a smart guy but his judgement is clouded with his strong support for the Clintons. He rarely gives credit to the other side and no wonder he's such a polarizing figure in this blog. However, I think your tone was too though on the guy. You know is a sucker partisan but I wouldn't mind him in my camp


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:53:41 PM EST
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Sorry to rain on your parade but I'll be less likely to vote for a candidate endorsed by the nation or daily kos.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 05:59:15 PM EST

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Me, too. An endorsement from The Nation be the kiss of death for me.

I want a President who can bring the whole country together to get things done, not a wacko left-wing fringe candidate that  The Nation would endorse.


by hwc on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 06:08:07 PM EST
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I think Katrina is a beauty but when I hear her speak I just think what planet she is on.

Hey what do I know Mark Warner is my perfect candidate and I am sure the guys and gals at the nation would hang themselves before they can think of endorsing him.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 06:13:19 PM EST
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That's a perfectly fair point and a good reason to support Clinton.  I anticipate that a HRC administration will operate a lot like Bill's two terms, which is to say as a centrist operation.  That's not really what I'm looking for, but I respect those who are.

For what it's worth, the Nation is to my left as well, but I still read it and value their perspective as well.  


by HSTruman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 09:05:13 PM EST
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We're a big tent, or at least I thought we were.  Calling the nation a wacko fringe outfit is a little much, don't ya think?  


by HSTruman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 09:05:57 PM EST
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Which positions does The Nation take that you disagree with?


by Mullibok on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 10:06:15 PM EST
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I think their disgusting diatribe against Hillary called Hillary, Inc. was very objectionable to Democrats of any flavor.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:27:00 PM EST
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wacko left-wing fringe candidate

But but but....what happened to your saying that Obama was a worshipper of Reagan?  It can't be both.  


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 10:55:35 PM EST
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I hope that's satire???

What The Nation is saying is that one of our biggest problems is that, when everything is polarized, the media seeks an opposition position to everything, even if the opposition is bullshit (i.e. anti global warming).  

If we can move past that, we may shut down the engine driving everything from anti-stem cell B.S. science to swiftboating, because we can demonstrate there is an effective rational center for disagreement.  As a progressive, I view the rational center as being center left and tend to think when exposed to the facts others will too.


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 06:14:39 PM EST

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Thanks for the news. I'm a regular reader of The Nation and believe they see who the progressive is in this race.

I'm always amazed, tho, that progressives (which I always thought I was) believe that revolution is the first way to get things done. Remember Saul Alinksy's statement that the reformation has to come first. I think that is what Obama can bring us.


by royce on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 06:25:30 PM EST

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"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families - more than seventy million people - whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default.."

Wikipedia - Sula Alinsky

Worth reading.  Alinsky was the subject of Hillary Rodham's senior honors thesis at Wellesley College, "There Is Only The Fight...": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.  Rodham commented on Alinsky's "charm," but rejected grassroots community organizing as outdated. [...] Obama particularly used Alinsky's techniques while participating in Chicago community organizations in the 1980s.  Food for thought there.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 06:36:22 PM EST
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i'm with you bro, i've just cancelled my subscription to the nation, the progressives in this country should and will be ashamed of themselves for not rallying behind the edwards' campaign


by jfoster on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:07:56 PM EST

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very interesting....i was thinking the same thing tonight during the debate...either way, dems loose in november


by jfoster on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:23:23 PM EST
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Good article with a lot of perceptive comments.  Thanks for posting that.


by Satya on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:18:21 PM EST

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Since they're the ones that supported Nader in 2000, I'll take what they say with a grain of salt. Besides, if they believed even half of what they are saying, they would have endorsed Edwards.

The only thing that the Nation seems to be good a doing lately is picking losers.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:27:51 PM EST

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Well, there seems to have been a fair bit of that going on around here for quite some time.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:51:11 PM EST
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This is the most eloquent endorsement I've read yet.  I especially like the three paragraph intro.


by Drummond on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 09:16:50 PM EST

this part of the piece made me laugh (2.00 / 1)

Pollster.com shows a series of polls taken in the Democratic campaign. The graphs plotting national polling numbers as well as those in the first four states show a remarkably consistent pattern. Hillary Clinton starts out with either a modest or, more commonly, a massive lead, owing to her superior name recognition and the popularity of the Clinton brand. As the campaign goes forward Clinton's support either climbs slowly, plateaus or dips. But as the actual contest approaches, and voters start paying attention, Obama's support suddenly begins to grow exponentially.

Gee, I wonder why that would be. Could it be that as the voters are tuning in, the media's coverage of Obama is almost uniformly positive, while pundits and commentators go out of their way to stick the knife in Hillary?


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 09:56:48 PM EST


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